Aimee K
Sleepless in San Fransisco
I went to bed one night after one of my interviews with Louis just crying to the Lord, “I don’t know what to do with all of this! It’s so big!” And the impression came, “Nothing yet. There’s more you need to know.”
After hearing all of Louis’ testimony —I can’t recall now the number of hours invested by then — Louis declared, “You know more about me now than any of the women on that council. I consider YOU part of my women’s council at this point.”
Heaven honors agency, and whatever jots and tittles needed to be satisfied for the inspiration to come, that may have been it.
I remembered the Walter Wink post that I did not too long ago on Subtly Subverting Injustice. I shared it with him, excited that maybe the solution to this Gordian Knot was somehow embedded in the examples Christ gave us.
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Matt. 5:38-41 KJV
We brainstormed how to extrapolate a solution applicable to his situation. Unable to come up with any ideas I continued pondering as I went to bed. Between the space of dreams and awake I realized there were two punches, two garments, two miles…two….councils? There’s already been two. So a third women’s council?
Temptation to Fight Fire with Fire
I approached Jennifer with the idea of holding a third council. We could invite members of the WCL2 to hear Louis’ testimony first hand. In the invitation I’d say, “If you refuse to participate your decision will be interpreted as no contest and a vote toward reinstatement.” Anyone who did hear his testimony, I was convinced that they’d vote to reinstate.
The authority over his priesthood certificate would transfer to the Willis home fellowship who would hold a third women’s council against him. Witnesses from WCL1 and WCL2 would be invited and cross examined. Declining to attend would be declaring that they recanted their previous testimony.
Jennifer’s conference co-organizer considered the idea and then pointed out the principle violations in the plan, “We can’t do what they did.”
She outlined the proper procedure and order of events that would have to take place, which was months of work. Her wisdom persuaded me, yet in my disappointment I complained, “But I really want to!” 
I know, girl! But we can’t!
Now what?
Hear my voice, O God, in my prayer. Preserve my life from fear of the enemy. Hide me from the secret counsel of the wicked, from the insurrection of the workers of iniquity who sharpen their tongue like a sword and bend their bows to shoot their arrows, even bitter words that they may shoot in secret at the perfect. Suddenly do they shoot at him and fear not. They encourage themselves in an evil matter. They speak of laying snares secretly. They say, Who shall see them? They search out iniquities. They accomplish a diligent search. Both the inward thought of every one of them and the heart, is deep.
I read some of my earlier blogposts to Louis; the ones I wrote when I was defending the women’s councils: Goliath’s Challenge, Heart of David, and Sacrifice at Golgotha. All three part a series I call “sons of.” Sons of giants, sons of men, Son of God. [link to all 3]
He couldn’t believe how much they perfectly condemned the injustice that he had experienced; gasping at several points. Which, to be honest, I do enjoy when someone appreciates my writing. 
I realize now who Delilah really is. And told him so. He agreed.
I realize now that I was the little lamb in the mouth of the bear needing rescue. So, I’m the lil’ floofball? Dang…
I realized that God left little Easter eggs for me in my own writing:
God was not in a hurry. He was laying the groundwork for what was to come.
Grounds for a Women's Conference
Louis petitioned for reinstatement on 13 April 2025 and again on 18 September 2025, but until very recently they ignored the request.
Reinstatement of the man’s authority must be considered by the same council of twelve women when the man petitions for the decision to be rescinded, and requires seven of the twelve to agree upon his reinstatement, which can occur at any time.
By the first of the new year— and after hearing hours of his first hand testimony— I told Lou that I was willing to go to war for him, wielding my pen (aka sword, mightier than) and hold another Women’s conference with my dispute: WCL2 will not reconvene and uphold their duty to consider reinstatement.
He appreciated my willingness, but declined the offer saying that it would only fracture the community further. I honor his agency in making that call. He added however, that he reserved the right to let me bring my dispute to Women’s Conference at a later date.
The next morning my husband told me that he could tell that I was agitated and asked what had been troubling me. I gave him a brief summary of the witch hunt and the priesthood certificate. He told me that just that night, he had a nightmare about me being hospitalized again. Armed with the information regarding the source of my angst, he asked me not to participate in any women’s councils or conferences. I told him that his concerns are not unfounded and I submitted to his stewardship as my husband. I promised that I would not participate in any councils or conferences.
However, at that time I was already part of the Fall conference committee. That same morning I transferred ownership of the conference Slack group, let them know that I would be bowing out and deactivated my account entirely.
WCL2 has nothing to fear from me. I will not organize a Women’s Conference against you. But there was a valid dispute.
I really wonder if their spidey-senses were tingling after the Boxes? Check! post because they reached out to Louis the next day finally responding to his April and September reinstatement request.
In an email dated September 18, 2025 you asked that your priesthood certificate be reinstated. Are you asking us to meet to consider your reinstatement at this time?
14 Jan 2026, two days after Man of Sorrows was published Louis responded:
I can no longer ask for reinstatement. In order to fully understand the sins that are being laid at my feet I am respectfully asking for the explicit charges against me that include:
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Please provide the evidence to me as required by the June 20th revelation honoring just and holy principles that God established in the Constitution.
-Louis
I helped him soften his response, BTW. The intention is his, but the words are mine. Now you know 
"Tell Your Story"
Louie found it fascinating that Aimee— who was so deeply embedded on one side of the dispute —could have my mind changed.
“If you can do it, anyone can do it.”
He thought the best approach would be to just tell my story. So I started writing. It was a lot. I mean… A. LOT. Fire-hose extraordinaire.
I sent a draft copy to a dear friend. In wisdom, she recommended that I break the post up into parts. Everything all at once would overwhelm people and I’d lose them before I could finish. So, this has been broken into seven parts, beginning with Open Invitation. And based on the title of this post and the 2nd post, you’ll have already guessed that the 7-part series forms a chiasmus. That kind of just happened, if I’m honest. I wasn’t even planning on writing the Bread of the Laborer until a conversation on the women’s slack inspired the post.
I had intended on publishing the singular post on the 2-year anniversary of Louie’s WCL1 notification, instead I addressed the principle violations in his councils that day.
After Puzzling Pieces was released the backlash was overwhelming. Immediately I lost friends. Some I expected and some that surprised me.
Helaman logged into the Preparing the Peacemakers YouTube account that I had created and changed the password. I didn’t realize until a few hours later. I changed it back, but then it immediately changed again. She and Alma, who were given administrative access, fought with me through the interwebs changing the password, adding a pin, deleting back up emails. And then, one of the two deleted the whole account. All of the Common Consent Town Hall recordings …just gone. At that point I realized it wasn’t enough to just change the password back. Fortunately, I was able to recover the account. OMG thank you!
I deleted both of their email links, added a QR verification code, logged both their devices out and changed the password to something only I would know.
Then I texted both of them.
Hi Alma, I saw you or Helaman tried to delete the Preparing the Peacemakers account. I feel sad that you want to destroy all the videos of the meetings. I’ve protected the account against loss. Would you like to talk about it?
When I didn’t hear back from either of them I texted just Alma.
I knew you’d be upset. Just so you know. I thought about telling you beforehand but thought you’d be unnecessarily anxious. “It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but even more to stand up to our friends”You were always loved by me
I’ve been told that the odds are: men are guilty. Yes, overwhelmingly accusations of abuse against men are founded. But if an accusation equals guilt, than so were the men on the 2006 Duke lacrosse team guilty, DNA evidence be damned. Abenadi was guilty, and Jeremiah and Stephen and Micaiah AND our Lord. GUILTY.
Emotional manipulation, third hand hearsay, and pious, illogical outrage do not qualify as supporting evidence. STFU...and i mean that in the nicest way possible.
Let’s address what was said and what was not said. I copied the relevant section from the public blogpost into ChatGPT.
ChatGPT Prompt: Please don’t summarize the text. Please just give me what the “physical contact made during an argument” was specifically. Punch, slap, grab? What? This is the only information you have to base your conclusion on:
[excerpt from Puzzling Pieces]
Based only on the text you provided, there is no specific physical contact described between the two people.There is no punch, no slap, no grab, no restraint, no shove stated anywhere in the account.The only physical action explicitly described and mutually agreed upon is:
- Throwing his belongings (the disagreement is over word choice: “gently toss” vs “chucked”).
- The phrase “physical contact made during an argument” is referenced as a rumor, not as a described act, and no body-to-body contact is specified in the narrative you provided.
So, strictly and precisely answering your question: What was the physical contact?
None is explicitly described.
With [ex-wife]’s explicit permission I will give the bullet points of why her version of events is fabricated; on the women’s slack only and not in public.
I did not violate [ex-wife]’s confidence. Just because you all know what I was referring to doesn’t mean that I disclosed anything.
WCL2 organizer was livid. Accused me of a massive violation of confidence. Unmitigated treachery. Also accused me of locking her out of the post with a password, but she was using the backdated link that I created for Lou to review it before I hit publish. User error, I guess 
My mistake was not unchecking the “send email” box and it went out to all my subscribers. Frickin’ great.
After I gave her the correct link and she read it, she came back guns a’blazing saying that I silenced [ex-wife]’s voice.
First I violated confidence and then I didn’t tell her side of the story. Can’t have it both ways lady 
Whatever. Bound and determined to be mad no matter what.
Then my first fellowship mom, the one I knew from the very beginning of this journey asked me to remover her prayer from my website saying she didn’t want to be affiliated with “whatever it is you think you’re doing.”
Will do. 
Homeless
@channel
With all of the drama surrounding the recent posts that I’ve written, I’ve kicked up a hornets nest of outrage within the Covenant Christian community. If you don’t know what I’m talking about please read forward from: Open Invitation posted on Jan 5th on the Face Toward Zion website.
I’ve offended every powerful family within this movement and will probably never be welcome at a conference again. CS won’t talk to me and I’m not about to force the issue. But I must say that her rejection has given me the most heartbreak in all of this. AM and KA reached out to me with serious concerns about my well-being, asking if I was sleeping. Valid. I’m bipolar and their concerns are not unfounded. I’m so grateful that they did because I felt their genuine love and compassion. Thank you both.I’ve talked to BN about what’s been going on, and rather than impose my controversy on any of you further I am casting myself out from among you. He will be taking over as the Primary Owner of the Slack platform and is willing to keep Little Zion Hesed in stewardship moving forward. I will be homeless as far as fellowship. But I am not abandoning the movement. I love you. I have considered you an extension of my own family. You are all so very precious to me.
Aimee
Ten Virgins - Great Competition
It’s obvious to me that whatever is happening right now in this movement is testing our character. We are in the crucible and heaven is watching.
Five of the virtuous virgins who were expecting the wedding party to arrive were, nevertheless, excluded. They were virgins like the others; but the others were allowed to enter, and they were not. They did not lack virginity. They did not lack notice. They were not surprised by an unexpected wedding party arriving. But they lacked “oil,” which is a symbol of the Holy Ghost. They failed to acquire the necessary spirit with which to avoid conflict, envy, strife, tumult, and contention.
Did you all really think we could gather around a Zion campfire, sing Kumbaya and everything would just be sunshine and lollipops? 
I may be crazy, but I’m not THAT crazy.
What's lacking?
Women need oil. We need that ever-present, filled with God’s light, presence of the Holy Ghost. WOMEN.
Uh…not all of us?
No, let me explain.
But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man who had not on a wedding garment. And he said unto him, Friend, how did you come in here not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king unto his servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take and cast him away into outer darkness. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, for many are called, but few chosen; wherefore, all do not have on the wedding garment.
I never understood this until very recently. They invited all the vagabonds from the highways and didn’t give some poor dude the right party clothes when he showed up? And then manhandled him out of the venue? What?!
What is the wedding garment?
It’s the priesthood.
Women need oil. Men need the garment.
The priesthood is not that silly piece of paper that everyone is losing their minds over. I guarantee you that Louie’s priesthood is intact. In fact, he in my eyes, one of the most righteous models of a man despite all of his VERY rough edges. I would trust this man with my life. I would trust him around my 20 year-old only daughter, with her gorgeous blond hair and blue eyes.
Who thrusts in their sickle? Men
Who grinds the wheat and bakes the bread? Women
Who breaks the bread and blesses it? Men
Who sets the table? Women
Who tends the flocks and shears the sheep? Men
Who spins the wool, weaves the cloth and clothes men in flesh? WOMEN
The roles of Priest and Priestess have been set before our eyes all along. More on that here.
Modern men often ask women, “What do you bring to the table?” when dating someone new. However, the premise is wrong. A wife multiplies whatever her husband brings to the table. You give her groceries, she makes you meals. You give her truth, she gives you wisdom. You give her shit, she’ll give you the storm. You give her love, she gives you LIFE.
A wife’s role is to be strong where her husband is week. Providing peace where he ensures safety. She creates a home from the house he provides. Filling it with beauty, color, music, culture, and a kingdom through posterity.
In the order of marriage and family the two are equal. However,
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord; for the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church, and he is the savior of the body. Therefore, as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.
The principle of Order defines the government of God, which IS the family. Stewardship governs how responsibilities in ordered roles are discharged.
All that in mind, go and re-read the third post I wrote defending the Women’s Councils and then come back.
Sacrifice at Golgotha
He is not come to destroy, but to fulfill; for truly I say unto you, heaven and earth must pass away, but one jot or one tittle shall by no means pass from the law till all shall be fulfilled.
Sacrifice at Golgotha
He is not come to destroy, but to fulfill; for truly I say unto you, heaven and earth must pass away, but one jot or one tittle shall by no means pass from the law till all shall be fulfilled.
From where I stand the likelihood that anyone from the WCL2 will vote to reinstate is slim to none. I shared a spreadsheet of the “dream team” that was passed along to me in the women’s slack. Its very revealing. I won’t share it here, so ask around. It’s obvious to me that there’s an element of crazy ex-girlfriend involved and an agenda that is devoid of any logical consistency.
I am holding out hope for Mormon and Ether. I know these ladies well enough to know they have seen first hand the abuses of principle violations in WCL2. My sweet Ether reached out to Lou just the other day trying to extend the olive branch. He responded harshly and I said, “Oh gosh…that probably wasn’t the best response. 🫠”
My Prayer for the women of WCL2
I pray that you will be blessed. That your gardens will bloom, your sourdough rises and your chickens lay plenty of eggs. I pray that your husband’s job gets a raise, his business thrives and prosperity and goodness pour out over your lives. I pray that your children are strong, healthy, and rise up to call you blessed. I pray that rain falls overnight and the sun shines during the day. I pray that God’s light fills your life and your understanding increases. I pray that your books sell, that your projects get done that your friends always stay true. I pray that safety surrounds you, and that you find God’s peace all the days of your life.
I can’t bless you obviously, but I can certainly ask.
The Law also says for you to love your neighbor, and lets you even hate your enemy. But now I say to you: Love your enemies also, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them who despitefully use you and persecute you, so you may become the children of your Father who is in heaven, for He makes His sun to rise on the evil and on the good.
Next:
Standard Operating Procedure
Hear me now: Let every person take care in how they use my name, as if I had part in their every dispute, for many things provoking arguments among the people are born from pride, stubbornness, aspiring for control, and reckless indifference toward me and one another. I bear with the people still, and patiently await the return of natural fruit in my vineyard. Do not be misled by my patience, for the time is quickly approaching for the harvest of my vineyard. Amen.
Next:
Standard Operating Procedure
Hear me now: Let every person take care in how they use my name, as if I had part in their every dispute, for many things provoking arguments among the people are born from pride, stubbornness, aspiring for control, and reckless indifference toward me and one another. I bear with the people still, and patiently await the return of natural fruit in my vineyard. Do not be misled by my patience, for the time is quickly approaching for the harvest of my vineyard. Amen.
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I am very sad reading this.
Love you Alicia. I’ll be ok ❤️
As I’m writing this, I’m asking myself – why even respond to these blogpost? Why even read them?
Here are the facts that you’ve expressed and as I’ve interpreted them:
Louie is innocent
His ex-wife lied
I’m a man and I know how men think. Men are extremely vile creatures. We have to watch our thoughts extremely closely. Our actions follow those thoughts quickly!
I’ve lived a life as a rebellious sinner and I’ve lived a life as a repentant sinner. The rebellious love to look clean and innocent. The repentant want to submit to anything that is appropriate and allow God to control the outcome – even if it’s unfair.
Please go and be in priesthood with Louie. Allow him to provide priesthood control over your heart. No one is denying you access to begin your own movement. If he’s supposed to be a witness in Jerusalem, let him reign over your heart.
From my perspective, you’ve fallen in love with this man and you don’t realize it. (I’m just trying to be like captain Moroni. Seeing it as it’s being described.). Louie should just tell every single one of you women, that are advocating his righteousness and innocent cause, to stop. A righteous man would not allow this stuff to continue!
If I was innocent, I’d never allow you to write my story. I would just let it pass. I would allow hearts to heal. I’d let God control the outcome. But here we are, Louie is now allowing another women to exploit and control a narrative.
Louie – man up. Just let this die. A repentant man would NEVER allow this fracture to happen with thousand of people. Who cares if you don’t have a certificate!? Who cares!? God is your judge. Why do you need to involve every single person year over year about your innocence!?
Aimee, I implore you to please remove this blog post. You are breaking the hearts of your covenant sisters, including mine. We do not wish for this division to be created amongst us, by a small minority (yourself included) of quarrelsome women; who seek to defend a violent man, who attempted to murder his wife, and refuses to repent or explain himself; then cowardly hides behind the skirts of women. The majority of us seek One Heart and One Mind and to love our fellow covenant brothers and sisters.
You are in league with the enemy who seeks to destroy the Covenant Christians.
Please put down your weapon of words by removing this post and the others: 1/17/2026, 1/15/2026, and 1/12/2026. Take some time to center your mind and emotions around Christ. I love you and I care for you, This path you are on leads to destruction.
Joanna B
Maybe there can’t be a third council and maybe that is a bad idea. But why can’t the 14 women (WCL2), Louis and Ashley (and maybe Jennifer) all just get together and work together to hammer things out to a resolution. Maybe it will take multiple sessions. Maybe it will require a lot of hard work. The whole movement doesn’t need to be involved, just the main participants. Getting everyone else involved seems to just be causing problems and making the reaching of a final resolution more difficult. It doesn’t make sense in my mind to get others involved in this due to confidentiality issues. The main particpants don’t have to worry about that as much if it is just them and so they can openly discuss the matter.
Perhaps as part of working towards a resolution, you could have an impartial trusted mediator come in and try to help ensure everyone plays fair as you work towards a resolution.
It really would be a wonderful thing for the movement if you all were able to figure things out and then announce to everyone that you were successful in reaching some final agreement that you all are happy with.
Aimee, I’m a bit perplexed about all of this. I feel compelled to share my feelings about what I’m seeing.
Firstly, Louie is a man. Let him represent himself. He doesn’t need a women representing his past. He’s responsible for it. It’s very weird to see another women spending hours and hours talking about his life. Why would any women talk to another man, who is married, hours on end? Men are vile and evil. Period. It’s rare to encounter a good man. Any man that is willing to spend countless hours talking to a woman shouldn’t be believed.
I know these men.
Louie is destroying this movement. I know men like Louie. Trying to protect your innocence and pride to the point of destroying a movement is a classic example of being like Korihor. If you want to quote scripture to protect your narrative, I can’t help but quote in Alma 16:
“ And this anti-Christ, whose name was Korihor, couldn’t be punished under the law. So he was free to preach to the people that there would be no Christ. He preached: Why do you tie yourselves down with a foolish and useless hope? Why do you let such foolishness oppress you? Why do you look for a Messiah? It’s impossible to know the future. These ideas you call prophecies, that you say are handed down by holy prophets, are nothing more than your ancestors’ foolish traditions. How can you know they’re true? You can’t know about things you don’t see, and so you can’t know there will be a Messiah. You anticipate you’ll be forgiven of your sins, but this is a delusion of your troubled mind. You inherited this mental disorder from your ancestors’ false traditions that convince you to believe in lies. He said many more similar things, telling them there couldn’t be any atonement made for mankind’s sins, but that everyone experienced success or failure in this life based on the talent of each person. Therefore everyone’s success or failure was based on their individual abilities, and they should enjoy life without feeling any guilt. He preached these ideas to them, persuading many of them to go astray. It caused them to be proud of their wickedness. Many men and women engaged in whoredoms.”
Louie needs to remove himself from this discussion. NO MAN, even if innocent, would go to these horrible lengths to justify his innocence. IF innocent he would remain silent.
This message is for Louie. Please. Please. Please let us heal. Why are we using so many platforms to discuss your life and the life of your ex-wife? Why are you allowing Aimee to promote a story about your innocence? ( My opinion is you should always protect the opinion and narrative of your wife and/or ex-wife.)
The constant desire to proclaim innocence is nauseating.
To all the commenters:
This is providing a really great opportunity to reason together. We don’t need to let the emotional discomfort stop the process before we can start it.
I understand the sensitive and painful nature of the situation. It’s painful for all of us. It is what it is, and begging for it to stop won’t make it stop. Take a breath, get curious, honestly try to see where others are coming from, ask tons of questions, so many questions. All of the questions. Leave no stone unturned. And try to do it in good faith, not trying to set a “gotcha” trap. Honestly try to understand.
And answer questions. For the love of God, answer questions. Be thoughtful, accurate, circumspect, and stay on topic. Avoid hyperbole, dramatization, and appeals to emotion.
To those who say “we’ve done this already” or “we’ve been talking for years”, that’s great, keep going. Figure out how to apply what we’ve been taught since last April about reasoning. God’s still not pleased with the way we’re engaging, and we won’t get better by backing out.
We’ll make mistakes, but be patient and stay in it. Mistakes are fine; they’re great ways to learn.
It’s the easiest thing in the world to think we are justified in separating from one another because the “other side” has it all wrong and is clearly decieved, misguided, evil, and malicious.
Christ suffered in Gethsemane, His body broken, just like our covenant body is being broken. Pull this shit together, folks. If we think ourselves worthy of taking the sacrament while dividing ourselves from one another, we ought to think again. Everything is on the line. Christ’s atonement is working when we come together. Not when we go apart.
Amen
I don’t see emotional discomfort in the comments. I actually greatly appreciate what I see to be finally some common sense and candor, especially from the men. It might not be wise to determine how engaging must be done for the entire movement. One who exits a conversation such as this one might be participating in another way that a bystander won’t understand. One might improve themselves by backing out of this specific fight, while another might benefit by engaging. That is between them and God. It can actually be quite difficult to choose to disengage from a conversation that one feels so emotionally committed too. And who are we to judge the broken hearts of those around us who can’t bear the pain any longer? Should we not extend charity towards them instead of instilling in them the fear that everything is hanging on the line and depends solely on their active participation in a very specific argument – completely disregarding all the growth, progression, work being done among the movement in marriages, friendships, fellowships, and more? Perhaps this viewpoint is a bit more narrow minded than we realize. It’s interesting to ask why “staying in it” by vocally participating in a frenzied, heated argument regarding one man’s certificate is what makes or breaks the success of the Covenant Christians. I’m not sure I’ve seen such force, fear, and zeal (through online chats, comments, blogs, emails, phone calls, texts, and papers) put upon the body to stay engaged in other things such as weekly fellowship, actively keeping the Covenant, doing good, improving our marriages and families, etc.
May, I think you make good points. People can participate in many ways that benefit themselves and others.
The main idea I was attempting to address was: not letting intense feelings separate us. I am trying to suggest some tools that have been helpful for me to build bridges with others when I have a strong and differing opinion from them.
I do believe everything is on the line. That isn’t intended to be a scare tactic, but an accurate assessment of the precarious nature of dividing from one another. If bowing out of this conversation will not divide us, I see no issue with bowing out. But I have observed that, for at least some, leaving is only kicking the can down the road.
And I do want to thank you for pointing out other ways we can actively engage. Those things should be our modus operandi, and I think those things give us the virtue to endure these more difficult matters with grace.
There is something coming. I can feel it. This discussion is showing it. I believe we are going to learn the patience of God.
Louie, please stop hiding behind these women. This is just so wrong. I don’t know you. I appreciate your testimony about seeing Christ. But I can’t agree with how you’re using women to further your innocence.
I’m the worst of men. I have tried endlessly to repent. I can confidently tell anyone, allowing another woman to proclaim your innocence is disgusting. Who cares if you’re innocent or not. The innocent won’t allow people like Aimee post some blog that is reaching the movement
I’m so tired of it. I’m tired of seeing goodness turned into sickness.
Louie’s other half
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It’s clear this weighs heavily on many hearts in our community, and I appreciate the candor, even where we disagree sharply. A few observations, offered in the spirit of reasoning together.
First, your sweeping claim that “men are extremely vile creatures” is striking, especially coming from a man. Acknowledging personal repentance and the reality of sin is meaningful, but projecting that framework onto all men replaces individual accountability with blanket condemnation. Scripture affirms agency, redemption and the possibility of righteousness, not the inevitability of corruption. Whatever your own experiences have been, they cannot stand in for judgment of an entire group.
More concerning, though, is the internal contradiction in your comment. While portraying men as inherently vile and dangerous, you simultaneously depict Aimee as gentle, trusting, and unaware that she is supposedly being drawn into emotional compromise. That framing does two troubling things at once: it assumes male moral depravity as a given, and it casts women as morally delicate and in need of protection from their own discernment.
Suggesting that Aimee has “fallen in love” with Louis isn’t an argument, its an insinuation. It reframes her reasoning as emotional weakness or impropriety rather than engaging her actual claims about process, fairness and truth. We can disagree on conclusions without resorting to personal implications that question a woman’s purity or motives.
This points to a deeper issue. The idea that women are inherently more pure, more vulnerable or therefore in need of protection may sound respectful on the surface, but it actually strips women of full moral agency. If women are not capable of being vile, then neither are we capable of full righteousness. Moral goodness only has meaning where moral failure is possible.
That framing has a long history in polygamist and patriarchal traditions, where women are treated as morally fragile, spiritually dependent or unable to stand before God without male covering. Thats no’t gallantry. It’s diminishment. And is incompatible with a gospel that holds every soul equally accountable before God.
Women don’t need to be managed, restrained or shielded in order to be righteous. We are capable of discernment, courage, error and repentance in our own right. Positioning men as necessary governors of women’s hearts doesn’t honor us, it denies our potential as full heirs.
Aimee’s work, and the questions many of us are raising, come from that place of full accountability, not naivete or romantic attachment. Disagreeing with her conclusions is fair. Recasting women’s moral reasoning as emotional weakness or misplaced devotion is not.
Truth seeking doesn’t require silence, disappearance or suppression. A righteous man can allow truth to be examined without demanding that others stop speaking, especially when petitions and questions have gone unanswered for months.
My hope is for healing grounded in truth rather than peace built on dismissal. I pray for humility, clarity and one heart among us as we navigate this crucible.
Kim
Kim thank you so much. I read “Louie’s other half’s” comment to my LDS husband. He’s been supportive of my faith journey over the last 8 years. He’s the rock to my rocket. His impression of this people is not good.
Some questions: Were the women’s councils fair? Was Louis given a fair opportunity to defend himself? Were the accusations specific or vague? It is near impossible to defend onself against vague accusations such as “Priestcraft”, or “Abuse” without the details. Were all council member’s treated as equals or did some members try to enforce their will on the rest? I’ve heard that those who disagreed with the main organizers rules or process were dismissed from the council or invited to leave, is that true? I’ve also heard that members of the council were not allowed to talk to others, including Louis himself, in order to determine things for themselves, is that true?
Matt,
I hear the weariness in your words and the longing for peace, restraint and God’s patience. I share that desire
I think the strongest concern I hear beneath your comment is this: that prolonged public advocacy around innocence can fracture the community, retraumatize those who may have been harmed and turn humility into contention. You’re calling for restraint, surrender to God’s judgment and an end to what feels like endless justification. The concern should be taken seriously.
Where I part ways with you is in the assumption that women who speak are being used, hidden behind or manipulated.
That framing removes women’s moral agency. It suggests that if women publicly reason, question process or vouch for what they have personally examined, they must be proxies for a man who should otherwise be silent. Thats not protection – It s paternalism.
I haven’t been asked, directed ir even encouraged by Louis to speak. My voice here is my own, formed through study, prayer, interviews and a commitment to due process. The only permission I sought was whether I could responsibly reference parts of someone else’s personal story. That’s not being “used.” That’s ethical speech.
I also noticed a contradiction that keeps surfacing. On the one hand, women are told we are too emotionally compromised to speak. On the other hand, when women served on the council that removed the certificate, that same moral agency was treated as authoritative. Women cannot be competent judges when silencing a man, but suddenly incapable of discernment when questioning the fairness of the process. Both cannot be true.
Silence is sometimes virtuous. But silence is not a universal marker of innocence, repentance or righteousness. Scripture and history are full of people who continued to speak precisely because unresolved injustice lingered. Humility doesnt require disappearance and peace isn’t built by demanding that others stop asking questions.
You say goodness is being turned into sickness. I would suggest the opposite danger is also real: that goodness can be hollowed out when truth seeking is framed as rebellion, and when women’s moral reasoning is dismissed as manipulation or emotional excess.
I want peace too. But peace built on suppression is fragile. Peace built on truth, even slow and uncomfortable truth, endures.
I pray (as you do) that we learn God’s patience together, with humility and charity. And I hope we can honor women (not as shields, symbols or liabilities but as full moral agents accountable before God …..
just like men.
Kim
Love you so much Aimee. I love your authenticity and your passion.
I don’t know the answers to this situation, and I’m pretty sure that any resolution would leave many unsatisfied, but I feel for everyone.
There is something valuable to learn in this for each one of us. Maybe our reactions are perfect reflections of the things we individually need to work on. My prayer is that we give each other the grace and space to refine ourselves.
Love you sister
Oh Marie, thank you so much!! Love you too ❤️ Thank you for understanding my heart.
Aimee want to tell you how much I have personally enjoyed your posts.You have such a talented way of putting things into perspective. I have been saddened by some of the negative comments that have been directed at you..it takes a lot of courage to do what you are doing..I know there are lots of prayers out there for you right now.We are praying for the Covenant Christian group that hearts will be softened and that we will start doing what God has ask us to do REASON TOGETHER..
I pray we can all do better..We do love and appreciate you❤️Loa
Thank you Loa! I want you to know that your sister speaks very highly of you. You are so precious to her and she’s become very precious to me! ❤️
I appreciate your kind words and maybe someday we’ll have the opportunity to meet. ❤️
I put my thoughts in video form. This is my response to Jim, ‘Louis other half’, and the ‘Men of the Covenant’ commentators.
I forgot to mention this in my video, but I think these thoughts are important to include. Aimee lost friends for doing all this. I believe this a common pattern of one who is seeking to declare the truth, and should strengthen that argument. Generally, people dont do things that disrupt relationships on a whim. Its either well thought out and counted in the cost, or it’s something else. You decide.
https://youtu.be/qeOoHHtysm0
If you’ve listened to the video:
Please change your ways. Live this life boldly, men. And frankly, everyone. There is a lot of hiding and deflection in this group. Just because someone else is perceived as hiding doesnt mean you need to secure for yourself by your actions a quality that is less than noble, and feel justified in hiding. Square up and stop hiding.
If you want to know who I am, it is in the video.
God bless,
Covenant man
🔥WOOOHOOOO!!!🔥 You tell ‘em!!! 💥💪💥🙌
You had me cheering and clapping!!
👏👏👏👏
Garrett Ball!! 🔥 You are the man!
Watching anonymous men lob scathing accusations from the shadows while demanding silence from others is exhausting. Thank you for standing in integrity!
Kim
Kim! Thanks for you sentiments. I’m tired of of it too. I’ve struggled with having integrity my whole life. This was so freeing. The moustrap talk helped me appreciate candor in a way I never thought I could.
“To prevent false rumors that began to spread, Jim O’rullian and I had a phone call. He is not the Jim.”
I rarely read blogs and even more rarely read the comments on blog posts. I was only made aware of this blog when a friend sent me Garrett’s video link asking if it was me he was referring to. But because my name was brought up here, I would like to express my opinion on the Louis Naegle Hunger Games in general. I’m certain what I’m going to say here will likely not be well received by Louis, Ashley, participants in either women’s councils, or anyone for that matter who has been following the discussions for the past two years. The only disclaimer I’ll make is that none of the below has any reflection whatsoever on the bonds of friendship and love I share with those I mention where they are applicable. It’s not hard for me to vigorously disagree with people, while at the same time loving them and genuinely enjoying their company.
While I have had very little interaction with Ashley Noe, I have seen more of Louis’s daily walk than any of those who so freely express opinions about it. My time with him is more than double yours, including Jenn W. I’ve seen him in circumstances none of you have. I was not involved in any of the situations that have been cited as reasons for a woman’s council, but after hearing the general reports of what transpired, I know EXACTLY what happened as if I were there, because I’ve been in those types of situations with him many times… that’s the level and depth of my knowledge and understanding of the man. I have a lot I could say about your “reasoning” and imprudent arguments in favor of this or that, but I’ll not take any side for my purpose in writing this response. So much foolishness and wasted time playing into the hands of the adversary. The devil must giggle when he sees how distracted we’ve all become with this foul tripe, but then get bent over with outright laughter when he sees that we recognize exactly what he’s doing, but choose to engage in it anyway. Such a tragedy.
I’ll be as brief as I can. I do not recognize the marriage between Louis and Ashely and neither should any of you. Although there were ceremonies performed for Louis and Ashley on different occasions that were symbolic of a marital union, they were conducted in the state of Utah where common law marriage is not automatically recognized; there are conditions that must be met. Sadly, other than stating to their community that they were married and wearing rings, the requirements for “holding yourself out as married” were not met at that time nor any time since and the window to prove such has past. There are zero public records, court filings, receipts or records to substantiate the union. Without such, the community has no reason or basis to accept the marriage as lawful or binding.
In the state of Utah, a relationship can only be recognized as a marriage if a court petition proves specific requirements, such as cohabitation in the same home, sharing marital duties like bills and finances, and publicly presenting as married (e.g., joint taxes or accounts). Their private ceremonies were performed without a marriage license or authorization and had no intrinsic legal effect. They lived in separate cities and homes, usually meeting on weekends, with no shared residence or responsibilities—this fails to meet the cohabitation and other criteria under Utah Code § 81-2-408. Without these elements, the state would not recognize it, even if petitioned. If anyone doubts this, I encourage checking the Utah Courts website for details:
https://www.utcourts.gov/en/self-help/case-categories/family/marriage/common-law.html.
I understand all the arguments that have been made by Louis, Ashley, and so many others: that one of the ceremonies between Louis and Ashley was conducted by a friend who has spiritual authority that supersedes any earthly law. I don’t entirely disagree with that view.
But we live here and now inside a country that has largely been successful due to the recognition and observance of the rule of law—something to which the Lord is very much aware and which He has reminded us of in recent revelations. We have no idea if or when we may eventually live to see any other form of peaceful governance, notwithstanding the many flaws our current system has.
Until such time as those laws are no longer binding upon us, and we have been taught an entirely new way to live, we should hold ourselves—and each other—accountable to them, not sovereign over them. To those who may disagree with me, I respect and sympathize with that view in a world that grows darker each day. Unrighteous governments impose unrighteous laws upon us continually. But I ask you what in all that you have learned along the path which has brought you this far into the light has given you the idea that we are free to disregard basic rules of society as if they don’t apply to us anymore. We work with what we have to best of our ability until such time as the Lord removes us, should we ever live to be worthy of that blessing.
Louis and Ashley’s family or friends may have obliged the couple to perform a ceremony, but it was up to Louis and Ashley, together, to handle the rest of the process and make the union binding in the communities to which they belong. Therefore, if they intentionally failed to make the union lawful, then they are together at fault and willing participants in the deception.
They, together, each need to take accountability for their actions, recognize and acknowledge their part in the deception, and take steps to repair the damage done to their community—a community that has seen these events have such a profound and deep impact with regard to certain decision-making processes the Lord has charged us with.
If what I have said is true, go through every argument you have advanced—whether inwardly or outwardly—in support of your position. Consider fully the implications in this case.
As for myself, I’ve done this labor and determined the following: While Louis and Ashley both have unresolved issues with their community that they need to own and make restitution for, their community also needs to own and make restitution to them for its mishandling of these events and the associated damage done to their reputations.
Let’s support them by allowing them space to resolve the matter together. Rather than trying to control the outcome of all this to prevent the fall of Zion, just take deep breath, let the Lord do what He intends to do and be happy to be involved. All you need to do is love each other, that’s all He asks of us along the way. If we can do that, the right path will become clear and the right things will follow.
I dont know all the history and facts of the Louis issue so I reserve judgment I dont care whether Louis has a piece of paper from 12 women stating he can administer the sacrament publicly. I can fellowship and love him without that, and real priesthood is independent of it. I pray he and Ashlee can resolve their differences together and find peace, but at the end of the day it’s their stuff, not mine.